2011-12-08 [Teufelsweib]: this wiki is awesome.

2011-12-08 [Mortified Penguin]: [Mortified Penguin] likes [Teufelsweib]'s comment.

2011-12-08 [kians mummy]: It seems that one Council member has talk this wiki to heart, Yo know what I don't get Mort, Bob's diner takes the piss out of the crew all the time, yet they are aloud to, but when ever it comes to me, Just creating a wiki where everyone can have there say, they automatically throw a hissy fit at you, I was on the festival staff and [Nioniel] took me off because I created this wiki, "just because your crew, doesn't mean we can't have our say" no wonder people leave, I created this wiki to see what other peoples thoughts are, so the crew can take a look and maybe learn things from it, but they don't see it as that, they see it as having a bitch at them, They are so wrong about me it's unbelievable, at one point I thought Elftown was getting better, now this just goes to prove how wrong I was, I speak my mind, and they hate it

2011-12-08 [Nioniel]: Whatever, Sammie. You and I made an agreement and you broke it. That's not my fault.

2011-12-08 [kians mummy]: Agreement, with doing what, I wasn't doing anything anyway, was I, You did that just to try and stop me from doing stuff like this, when I realised I wasn't doing anything anyway, then you wonder why I go back to my old ways, I want a job on here that I can work on everyday, not once a bloody year.

2011-12-08 [Nioniel]: Well, keep treating everyone like crap and bitching and whining that we don't give you what you want as soon as you ask for it. That's bound to work. *rolls eyes* 

2011-12-08 [kians mummy]: So therefore, you forced me to break the agreement, when there was noting to do anyway, you know what I don't get, on Elfpack, there is less members, and yet, loads more work, the council are always improving the site, I suggested a wiki, they loved the idea and I am designing it as we speak, as the warden asked me to, thats work, that are dedicated to the site, they put there every effort into making it a better site and try to get it more and more user friendly, I enjoy every bit of change on there, I'm hardly even on here anymore, I am a volunteer on there, as they put trust into me, I work on the council on Cathug, and yet on Elftown, oh no, because We are tough, Because we don't like the way you try and get peoples views as the only views we are aloud is our own, as we are the bosses, we are people, so treat us like people, not shit.

2011-12-08 [Lord Josmar]: No job on here do you do everyday. Im part of the literature judges and the reviews group and I still dont do stuff everyday. Im also part of the festival staff and we didnt even run my contest this year (probably my fault on that though) but you dont see me creating anti-wikis.

2011-12-08 [kians mummy]: You are the one that keeps treating people like crap, you stop people working for you when you don't like what they have done, you shouldn't even be on the council. :)

Now please may you leave my wiki, I am not arguing with you any longer, you do what you like, I thought you was better than the council, mayor material, I THOUGHT WRONG!!!

2011-12-08 [kians mummy]: I meant more regular hun x

2011-12-08 [Nioniel]: "So therefore, you forced me to break the agreement"

You make your own decisions. I didn't force you to do anything.

"you shouldn't even be on the council. :)"

Good thing that's not up to you. :) :) :) :) :) :)

2011-12-08 [nehirwen]: Do you have any (practical) solutions in mind for the thoughts you have Sammie?

2011-12-08 [Paul Doyle]: Is life truly so boring that ET drama has to be made simply for the sake of ET drama? Get a life. Elftown is such a ghost town nowadays, that nobody gives a damn about this nonsense anymore.

2011-12-09 [Lord Josmar]: Hey Paul! I haven't seen you around in awhile.

2011-12-09 [Mortified Penguin]: And I haven't seen you while in a round!

2011-12-09 [Lord Josmar]: Well a round is only approx. 6 seconds.

2011-12-09 [Lord Josmar]: So technically you haven't seen him for longer then six seconds so your statement is more factual then you would think.

2011-12-09 [Mortified Penguin]: You implyin' I wouldn't think my statement is factual, boy? *reaches for beatin' stick*

2011-12-09 [nehirwen]: Elftown is getting a revamp, you know that.
I haven't gotten an answer to my question though: do you have any -practical- solutions in mind for the thoughts you have?

2011-12-09 [nehirwen]: But they can say those things themselves on wikis or forums we made for that purpose. (and they actually do)

2011-12-09 [Nioniel]: Please remove my name from this wiki.

2011-12-10 [Paul Doyle]: Jos, I'm still here . . . I've gone quiet mostly because I'm busy in real life, it's the holidays, and I am in the midst of finishing the rough draft of my second novel, which may yet have to be split into to because I am just about at the 300,000 word mark with a lot of plot left to resolve. I have gone mostly quiet. However, this type of ongoing bullshit continues to strike a nerve, even if it's merely the BS from the tools and minions of the mothership, and not the mothership herself who seems to have been indefinitely silenced online :P

2011-12-10 [AuroraLumos]: I do believe that my brain is near exploding point trying to get my head around this issue. What's supposed to be wrong exactly?

2011-12-10 [Eyonic]: I am confused as to why people get so worked up over things like websites, web privileges, and whatnot. They make big commotions about this and that, complain to as many people as they can, and expect something to be done.
*le sigh*
If you cant stand a web site, go and make your own. Then you can make up your own rules, have your daily poems, maybe even hourly if you care, and update on your own time.

2011-12-11 [Mortified Penguin]: While I agree with your sentiment of disdain toward Sammie, I believe that the near constant suggestion of "if you don't like this one, make your own (insert related thing here)" is the stupidest possible suggestion and typically comes from the stupidest possible people. It's the same with people who say things like, "If you don't love this country, leave it!" If you don't like the way things are, you shouldn't immediately give up and go away. That solves nothing for you or for anyone. You should actually try and change things for the better. And that's especially the case here. "Go make your own website if you don't like this one" is a borderline retarded statement and isn't even a real suggestion at all. "Get over it" is. "Eat a dick" is. "Let's talk things out and be rational" is. But this is not, so stop saying it.

2011-12-11 [Lord Josmar]: Gone, but not leaving, huh?

2011-12-11 [Nioniel]: @[kians mummy] - please cease to reference me or contact me, or address me on any pages if you're going to consider any sort of reply from me as "harassment." You may not state that replying to any of your comments or messages will be considered harassment, then proceed to ask me questions directly (or attempt to defame me) on public pages. That's pretty much harassment on your end. So until that stops, I will indeed reply to defend myself, answer questions you ask of me directly (however rudely you ask them), and deal with official business on this site even if it concerns you.

I was very polite both here and in several PMs asking you to stop referencing me on public pages. That is not harassment (in fact, what you're doing is by refusing to knock it off) and I will continue to ask you to be mature and do as I have politely requested multiple times.

2011-12-12 [Mordigen]: Haven't we learned by now that situations like these never ever go away, and pages like this never ever do anything?

2011-12-12 [Alexi Ice]: Lol!! Ah, useless drama always brightens my day!

2011-12-12 [Blaithin]: Eesh, all because they've been too busy to update the Daily Poem :o Best get on that right away girls! It will solve all our problems!

2011-12-12 [Teufelsweib]: come on everybody, you're better than Sammie. just ignore her and lets go do important stuff. she wanted attention and she got it, now just unwatch this stupid thing and let Mort fuck it over. I mean, ignore it and stuff.
[Nioniel], I see why you're pissed off but this ass here isn't really worth your time, is it? lets go do awesome stuff like not updating the daily poem and choosing other council members to win the contests. heyyyyoooo!

2011-12-12 [Mortified Penguin]:

2011-12-12 [Nioniel]: Thank you, Sammie.

2011-12-12 [kians mummy]: Your welcome x

2011-12-12 [Mordigen]: i think that was a bit harsh, [Teufelsweib].....
I don't agree with pages like this anymore, I made my fair share and attempted to "do the right thing" in my prime days here on ET and just learned that it doesn't make any difference.... but my bitterness and indifference doesn't mean that people still don't have a valid point. Even if they didn't, they're entitled to their opinions.

2011-12-12 [Alexi Ice]: Your mom is an empty page.

2011-12-12 [Mortified Penguin]: "Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooh!"

2011-12-13 [Paul Doyle]: This page needs a redecoration . . .